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 Post subject: Who will get picked?
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:42 pm 
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With the absence of deals, lots of good players are available to Vegas. They have the chance to be somewhat competitive out of the gate, but they are more likely to try to build for the future. Still, they will be taking a lot of good young players.

Our best available goalie: Montoya

Vegas' alternatives: Fleury, Mrazek, Grubauer, Ranta, Subban, Korpisalo, Ullmark, Kuemper, Luongo, Neuvirth...

Verdict on goatending: Montoya simply isn't up their with their alternatives, unless they really want specific players from each of those teams. Some pundits are even suggesting that they load up on young talented goalies to flip at the NHL entry draft.

Our best available defence: Emelin, Davidsen, Redmond

Vegas' alternatives: Manson, Vatanen, Theodore, Dumba, Methot, Claesson, Van Riemsdyk, De Haan, Klein, Enstrom, Scandella, Schmidt, Sbisa, Hickey, Hamhuis, Martin, etc.

Verdict on defence: I'm not sure that any of our guys would crack their top six. None of our guys are worth much in a trade, either. That means they could take Davidsen for depth (7th D or, more likely, AHL) and hope he makes it through waivers, but more realistically they will go for a forward.

Our best available forwards: Hudon, Plekanec, De La Rose, Mitchell, Carr

Vegas' alternatives: Staal, Neal, Aberg, Sissons, Marchessault, Ryan, Eakin, Brouwer, Grigorenko, Cammalleri, Lehtera, Fast, Grabner, Bailey, Nelson, (Ryan) Strome, (Josh) Anderson, Kruger, Lindberg

Verdict on offence: Many of their best choices are on the same team, so, for example, they can't select Aberg, Neal, and Sissons. This means they will needing help here. Also, after a handful of obvious choices, the pickings are slim. Hudon, Plekanec, and De La Rose seem like our most likely guys to be chosen right now.

UFA wildcards: Markov, Radulov

If either of these guys are signed, we don't lose anybody else.


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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Theodore, Dumba, De Hann and Davidson, throw in 2 vets like Methot and Bieksa, that's a solid start.


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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Their are so many good choices on defence. Van Riemsdyk, Schmidt, Enstrom, McNabb, Koekkoek...


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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TVR is a really awful player...


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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If I was George McPhee I'd probably go with Plekanec or Hudon, depending on where I pick elsewhere.

In the current cap situation (75 million), Plekanec's cap hit is suddenly not much of a problem, and might even be a plus for a team that needs to hit a 45 million floor.

If the cap minimum is reached via other players, Hudon is probably the best pick, because there's solid upside there and he could potentially develop into a 2nd-liner with the minutes he'd get (and lack of pressure too).

Beaulieu also would have been an option. And De La Rose is also still a possibility, given that he showed some offensive chops in the second half of the season (finally).

As for Benn (now protected), while his salary is great value, he's still basically a #5 d-man who just experienced a rough playoffs, so really, he seems somewhat irrelevant in the expansion draft discussions.


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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traveling hab wrote:
UFA wildcards: Markov, Radulov

If either of these guys are signed, we don't lose anybody else.

Are you saying that even though those two guys are UFAs, if Vegas takes them the rest of the Habs are protected? (i.e. they would count as the one Hab "loss" to Vegas?) That seems too generous to me!

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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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That is correct, but it only applies to this 48-hour window. If they sign one of our UFA players in the regular free agency period, then that's a seperate issue.

With the defensive options they have available, I doubt that Markov will be on their radar, but Radulov could be.


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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Plouf, why is Benn even mentionned at all here???? And the cap is only going up by $2 mil, how does that make Plekanec's contract not much of a problem for us??

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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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bigbrew71 wrote:
Plouf, why is Benn even mentionned at all here???? And the cap is only going up by $2 mil, how does that make Plekanec's contract not much of a problem for us??


Plekanec's contract already wasn't much of a problem for us. We're not up against the cap this year and his contract expires before we are (i.e. when Price's contract expires).

The problem, as it were, is that we were tight against the cap if we wanted to upgrade. The increase in cap and the fact that Vegas will be trading recently acquired assets make it easier for us to upgrade without losing Pleks. Remember, any major upgrade is likely to cost us Galchenyuk going the other way, so two million plus Chucky's expected salary is a nice chunk of change.

That being said, if a clear centre upgrade is available without touching current assets (e.g. thriugh the UFA market), then trading Pleks might be worthwhile.


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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Nil d wrote:
traveling hab wrote:
UFA wildcards: Markov, Radulov

If either of these guys are signed, we don't lose anybody else.

Are you saying that even though those two guys are UFAs, if Vegas takes them the rest of the Habs are protected? (i.e. they would count as the one Hab "loss" to Vegas?) That seems too generous to me!


They are technically still under contract till july 1st

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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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Just to be clear, the Cap Floor for Vegas is $43.8M and not $45M. They only have to spend up to the cap floor of 2016-17 season, not 2017-18.


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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They have to spend to the same cap floor as any other team, yes?


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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bigbrew71 wrote:
Plouf, why is Benn even mentionned at all here???? And the cap is only going up by $2 mil, how does that make Plekanec's contract not much of a problem for us??


Benn was protected, hadn't you heard? Someone was trying to make the point that Beaulieu was dealt early in order to protect this guy!
To me that's pretty crazy, considering Benn is a 3rd pairing d-man with zero upside. But hey, that's the state of our defensive depth right now. And Bergy loves a bargain!

As for Plekanec's cap hit, it's even more meaningless than ever, since our failure to acquire a #1 centre has ZERO to do with cap space and everything to do with no team wanting to give away #1 centres. There's a reason Plekanec's market value was as high as it was when he was re-signed. Look, it's not as hard to dump salary as everyone makes it out to be. We were able to dump Desharnais' salary and even got an asset in return.

Only 3-4 teams are truly affected by cap issues each season. We have never been one of them. That's why Emelin/Desharnais/Plekanec overpays were pretty much irrelevant. We didn't have the assets to acquire better players anyway. And when we did want a big free agent (Radulov, Petry) we easily had the space to pick him up. I bet Bergevin was more worried about Subban's NMC than his 9 million dollar cap hit.


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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Plekanec was overpaid at the time he was given that contract...it is worse now, obviously. I dont understand this misconcrotion thst tge habs font have to worry about the cap...that is simply untrue...if they are going tonl improve, they need more cap soace to do so....pleks represents the biggest chunk that MB could part with to free up dollars to actually make the team better.

Habs arent getting nearly enough value from thd 6 mil they committed to him


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 Post subject: Re: Who will get picked?
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Yes, but it is not as hard to dump cap space as you seem to believe. At the very worst, Plekanec could have been dealt for a 3rd rounder and that would have been better than letting him go for free. Fact is the Habs never had anyone in their sights to replace Pleks, so there was no point.

Just ask the teams that actually win cups. They've all been up against the cap. They dealt with it.

Plekanec has been a big disappointment, but the cap space wasn't actually the issue you make it out to be. If Vegas picks Pleks up it is already worth it that we kept him.


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